July 29, 2014
Good point.

notreallyhappeningtoday:

What does fifteen year old Andy’s old Usenet posts have to do with the man of today?

When one considers that two defenses proposed for his atrocious behavior have been his tender, delicate age during Bit of Earth, and his growing psychosis that was tearing him APART inside(!!!), it’s direct evidence that in 1998,  Blake was already skilled at being different people in order to get what he wanted, he lied constantly, and his intense productivity at the time shows he was coherent and capable of vast projects.

Research, get you some.

Under my same parameters, find things that show what he claims, a person slowly falling apart, fragmenting in a way that doesn’t make an easy story.

Show me something that isn’t Blake ret-conning his own past to fit his present in-universe characterization.

Well, when I put together a timeline based on what he told me, then his psychosis wouldn’t have been full-blown until the end of April 2002, and he would have had prodromal symptoms for a while before that (he said 16, which would be 1999, but his recall of ages is extremely unreliable).

There’s some stuff in the Seether LJ records that might back that up (and those were verified by Abbey and Andy); I also found these comments, but they are from 2004 and the contact info on them is old, so I haven’t been able to verify them, though andy said that some of the information is right and that it “sounded plausible.”

I’ve been looking to talk to anybody who knew him in person around this time because I think it could be pretty informative, but it was 12 years ago, so it’s hard to track people down.

July 29, 2014
http://bangyonggukofficial.tumblr.com/post/93189393536/please-stay-away-from-andythanfiction-a-person

  • emotionally/psychologically abused multiple people he met through fandom

Yes, as he admits

  • was instrumental in the murder/suicide that took place in an apartment he was staying in

No. His involvement was that the gunman shot him in the foot after killing two people and then committed suicide. The gunman alone was responsible for the deaths. 

  • stalked multiple famous headers of fandoms they belonged to, including sean austin and osric chau

Wrong, as far as I know; this rumor started because he met Sean Astin and Osric Chau at fandom events, but he has never been seriously accused of doing this as far as I know.

  • staged numerous fundraisers/conventions only to back out at the last second due to ‘health issues’ though the money always conveniently disappears

Not quite.

  • continues to move fandoms every time these acts are discovered

Not really; he was in LotR fandom from 2001-2003, he disappeared for a while, then he was in Harry Potter fandom from 2008, and in 2013, he started getting into SPN. He’s been involved in several fandoms where nothing has happened. 

  • insists that he should be forgiven for past mistakes even though he continues to make them repeatedly in the same cycle and even though victims of his manipulation and abuse continue to suffer the consequences

I think that’s kind of true? I can’t remember him ever demanding to be forgiven, but yeah. He apologized in 2007 for some stuff that he did and claimed that he was better and he wouldn’t repeat his behavior, then he … repeated (some) of his behavior. 

  • despite being ftm, contends that he is cis,

If you ask me, I’d say that he’s under no obligation to tell anyone what gender he was assigned at birth or whether he’s cis or trans. 

  • though initially claimed that his pre-transition self was his evil twin sister who was locked away in a mental institution for committing all of those evils and that he was an innocent bystander and

I can’t find a source right now, I’m pretty sure that he did say that.

  • generally says/does transphobic things on a regular basis

Whether he’s transphobic is a matter of opinion and everybody is welcome to theirs, but “on a regular basis”? Like, just scroll through his blog, he doesn’t talk about this all the time or anything like that.

  • blames his toxic and abusive behavior solely on mental disorders

Maybe, in the past? This is what he’s said recently:

 Mental illness doesn’t absolve you of responsibility for what you did!
Not in the slightest. All it is is the reason that those actions made the most sense to me at the time or the reason that I thought reality was ways that reality isn’t. The things I did in those perceived situations are still fully my responsibility, and no matter who I THOUGHT I was, I am still responsible for all my own actions at all times and all the consequences of them. I talk about the mental illness because it’s the only way what I did makes any goddamned sense, not because it’s some get out of jail free card, which it isn’t. If anything, it makes me MORE responsible because I can’t just “decide not to do the shitty thing,” I need to keep my illness under control so I don’t do shitty thing AND figure out all its tendrils and root those out too.

And here:

ANDY: Ironically, fandom itself has never been the problem for me. It’s part of believing I had superpowers and believing that all of it was real. Every bad thing goes right back to that, and that does not excuse it, and that does not make it not my fault, but that is the stimulus.

And here:

That I was crazy was what lead to the situation where I did the things I did to my friends and loved ones, but it does not absolve me of doing it nor make it in any way ok. I DID REALLY FUCKED UP THINGS. 

And here:

2. I wasn’t abusive because I was crazy either.

3. I was abusive (though I DID NOT commit the sexual assaults I am currently being accused of) because I made bad fucking decisions about a lot of things but mostly about trying to have control over people and situations I had no fucking right to try to control, much less via ‘any means necessary.’

4. The reason (not the justification, not the excuse) I believed I had the right to attempt to control these situations and people were that mental illness lead me to believe I had supernatural abilities and a mandate from God.  That doesn’t excuse the choices I made for how to deal with those “abilities” and “mandate,” nor make the actions I took ok in any way, nor reduce or dismiss the harm they caused.  It explains, not excuses.  It is not “crazy made me do it.” It is “crazy made me think I was in situation X, and the way I handled situation X was abusive, even if my belief in situation X made me think otherwise at the time.” 

5. Yup, I was behaving like a really fucking horrible human being, intent and internal process irrelevant.  I have not attempted to say I wasn’t, and have confessed it outright many times. I also thought that I was literally a supernatural creature who directly heard the voice of God (among other things.)  The latter has changed because of extensive professional intervention.  So, I argue, has the former.

You can argue that he’s not being sincere or that he’s lying about mental illness, but he has said, multiple times, that mental illness doesn’t excuse his behavior.

  • that he DOES NOT TRY TO CONTROL (considering that whenever he decided to get ‘therapy’ in the past varies)

I don’t see how these two things fit together, actually. His current story is that he’s seeing several psychiatrists and taking medication that controls his symptoms, and I’ve seen some proof of that.

  • and changes what mental disorders he suffers from on a semi-regular basis

True - though it’s not impossible for someone with a real mental illness to have a diagnosis that changes.

  • despite being well into his thirties

He was born in 1983.

  • regularly approaches young members of his fandom du jour and invites them to call/speak with him when they are ‘at their most vulnerable,’ thus allowing him to emotionally manipulate them and indoctrinate them to his way of thinking

He has hung out with fandom friends, but they all seem to be around his age. I don’t know where this idea came from. Who does he hang out with who is underage? 

July 29, 2014

insidethegarrison said: He's been calling himself a vessel now, saying he can hear what the real angels are saying and invite them into him, particularly Castiel, and that they're hiding the truth of the show in plain sight and we're basically living in the French Mistake universe but he can see where the show's happening in reality and that's how he knows Destiel is real, and he's been collecting money to get "the rest" of the Winchester Gospels published, but of course it's all super secret.

kumquatwriter:

Yeah, that sounds about right. It really never changes, does it?

So what ever happened with this?

July 29, 2014

I do like that I’m categorized as “Who the hell knows.” That’s more or less accurate. 

Actually, now I do regret deleting some of those posts, which I did out of a combination booze and anxiety, but what’s done is done. I had simply made a bunch of posts private, but when I saw the fail_fandomanon thread and realized that someone with a link to a post can still access it, I deleted basically everything on my blog related to Andy.

I don’t know why exactly the FFA thread freaked me out (or “triggered my anxiety,” as the kids say). Though I had been experiencing more stress than normal in last June, I hadn’t had an anxiety attack that severe in probably a year.

July 29, 2014

captain-ameribun said: Careful with agentsex. They’ve posted some really nasty victim-blamey and rape apologist/abuse apologist stuff in their crusade to make Andy look good.

Oh come on, I don’t stalk you on Tumblr. (I think they have me on ignore though, so they can’t even see this.)

July 29, 2014

lorentztransformation:

agentsex

I have no way of responding to you since you only let fan mail in from followers and trying to post the thing you sent me, but blank, gave me weird warnings about non encrypted and such. I’m not very tumblr savvy, so this is the only way I have to respond.

In any case, I don’t feel comfortable removing that.

You said you’re looking to write a transphobia free account, but have you checked out delwynmarch and kumquatwriter? The first person is trans himself and, while that doesn’t mean he’s immune to internalized transphobia (see andythanfiction), I’ve not seen anything linked from him that’s transphobic. I’ve also seen kumquatwriter defend andythanfiction’s identity before.

I think “fan mail from followers only” is a Tumblr default that can’t be changed, or at least I haven’t been able to change it. I think that I allow asks from anyone who’s logged in right now though, if you’d prefer that.

I may have misstated what I was trying to say; many of the people who post about him aren’t transphobic at all, and I didn’t want to accuse them of that. I was talking about a post that would concisely sum up his story without using transphobic language. Abbey’s blog isn’t transphobic, but I don’t think you could read it by itself and understand what was going on (ditto with Delwynmarch).

This post is pretty good, but it has a couple of factual mix-ups and uses some language I’m not comfortable with. This one, which is linked a lot, is pretty blatantly offensive and, besides, is a bit of a mess. I mean, aside from factual stuff, it’s been edited so much that it’s pretty hard to read (also, I’m still not sure who Colleen Durran is or how she fits into this?).

I think that this has little to do with transphobia and a lot to do with laziness. It’s a very long, involved story and writing a post like that would take a lot of effort. I *think* Aja Romano is working on something about it. If she is, I’m sure it’ll use respectful language.

I’d love to talk more on the subject if you’re willing, but I’d rather discuss it privately than in public - you can use my ask or submit.

July 28, 2014

aw shit! I sent a message to somebody and forgot their URL

July 28, 2014
"someone keeps mentioning this ‘agentsex’ persons url like we’re supposed to know who that is. i think the term “anti” is stupid but i am one i guess and i follow 600 other “antis” and yes, i dislike sterek, and i have literally never seen or heard of this person before, in conversation or on my dash"

anon (via ultrateenwolfconfessions)

That’s because I don’t even go here? I made like one post about how Stiles is underage

July 28, 2014
facts-i-just-made-up:

metalheadadam:

facts-i-just-made-up:

A mother helicopter tends to her newborn.

I wish you’d do some research before just spouting out any old crap. If you took two seconds just to LOOK at the picture, you’d see that it’s not a mother and her newborn. You can tell from the size and position of the rotors that it’s actually a hunting male. Also it’s a commonly known fact that whilst all helicopters are born with red tails, this fades to white in males, by the time they’ve reached adulthood. In females, the red has changed to a deep brown.
So this isn’t a lovely picture of caring parenting - in fact, this young ‘copter’s mother is probably dead, herself. There would be no way she’d leave her baby by itself at such a young age. The poor thing likely died mere moments after this picture was taken.
Have some respect.

You ignorant fool.The common Red Tailed Boeing you’re basing your analysis on is endemic to Saudi Arabia, which has no climate zones even remotely resembling that in the picture. Helicopters being short range vehicles, there’s no way a Red Tail could be present in the picture above.What you’re seeing is the red tailed variety of the Arboreal Russian UTair, which you’d know if you so much as looked at the distinctive markings on the parent’s flank.The photo is a mother tending to her newborn as I stated, and you Sir have defamed the endangered helicopter with your inept observations. People like you who think Helicopters are dangerous hunting animals are why these noble beasts have been scrapped to near extinction. Arguments like yours are used to support the helicopter “blading” industry, in which millions of helicopters every year are deprived of their rotor blades and left to die of oil loss or starvation.Support your local anti-blading protest group, and don’t listen to people like metalheadadam, if that’s even your real tumblr url.

facts-i-just-made-up:

metalheadadam:

facts-i-just-made-up:

A mother helicopter tends to her newborn.


I wish you’d do some research before just spouting out any old crap. If you took two seconds just to LOOK at the picture, you’d see that it’s not a mother and her newborn. You can tell from the size and position of the rotors that it’s actually a hunting male. Also it’s a commonly known fact that whilst all helicopters are born with red tails, this fades to white in males, by the time they’ve reached adulthood. In females, the red has changed to a deep brown.

So this isn’t a lovely picture of caring parenting - in fact, this young ‘copter’s mother is probably dead, herself. There would be no way she’d leave her baby by itself at such a young age. The poor thing likely died mere moments after this picture was taken.

Have some respect.

You ignorant fool.

The common Red Tailed Boeing you’re basing your analysis on is endemic to Saudi Arabia, which has no climate zones even remotely resembling that in the picture. Helicopters being short range vehicles, there’s no way a Red Tail could be present in the picture above.

What you’re seeing is the red tailed variety of the Arboreal Russian UTair, which you’d know if you so much as looked at the distinctive markings on the parent’s flank.

The photo is a mother tending to her newborn as I stated, and you Sir have defamed the endangered helicopter with your inept observations. People like you who think Helicopters are dangerous hunting animals are why these noble beasts have been scrapped to near extinction. Arguments like yours are used to support the helicopter “blading” industry, in which millions of helicopters every year are deprived of their rotor blades and left to die of oil loss or starvation.

Support your local anti-blading protest group, and don’t listen to people like metalheadadam, if that’s even your real tumblr url.

(Source: raphaelgranas, via lokasbarn)

July 28, 2014
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A brief history of “Queerbaiting”:
I’ve seen multiple people say they think my article on slash fandom was wrong to claim that “queerbaiting” was around before Tumblr. 
It was, but absolutely not in the specific context that fandom now uses it, which is indeed a Tumblr invention. 
"Queer-bait" as a concept is associated historically with the contempt other people show for queer identity. The historian Allan Bérubé, who wrote about queer men and women in mid-century America, detailed in a work that was presented posthumously by feminist Estelle Freedman that “queer-baiting” was a term used by the gay male stewards of a certain cruise liner company to describe the derogatory nicknames that other people in the industry gave to their ships. Because the company wanted all-white staff on its ships, they gave jobs that traditionally went to black staff on other ships to queer male staff (because the thinking went, what other white men would want those jobs?). The stewards, according to Bérubé, described the offensive nicknames they and their liners endured as a result as “queer-baiting.”
Today, outside of fandom, calling someone  ”queerbait” is essentially (occasionally a super-offensive) descriptor comparable to “jailbait.” But the reference usually involves the person being closeted or purporting to be straight while pandering to the appeal they have to gay men. There’s a single fandom reference to that use of the word in this 2006 VM fic, and another one in this 2010 SPN fic. Here's a Shakesville contrib identifying himself as “biracial queerbait.” There was also a GLBTQ anthology called Queerbait that ran for a few issues starting in 2007.
There is 2009 reference to “queerbaiting” in this blog post that uses it in the context of Republican attempts to smear political opponents by floating accusations (L O L) of their sexuality, ie. “baiting” them about their queer identity. I can’t find any other instance of this use of the word apart from one other blog post.
I think all of these ideas rolled together—the sense of posturing + the attempt to use queer identity as a hook, and especially the contempt—brought us the fandom concept of queerbaiting.
On Tumblr, the earliest direct reference that I can find to queerbaiting is a post made on January 3, 2012, by warpfactornope. It’s a heartfelt reaction to Jensen Ackles’ perceived homophobia at JibCon, along with, well, SPN in general:

We do exist—and they know we do. Everyone knows we do. But we live in a time of cis-hetnormativity—where anything is other. And the horror genre otherizes marginalized communities by making them monsters—but what’s going on now? the jokes, the queerbaiting, the laughter?

The assumption in this post seems to be that queerbaiting is a term already understood by fandom in general at this point. I believe it probably was, but I’ve dug through Tumblr and I’ve dug through google and I’ve dug through countless Unix timestamp backlogs of Tumblr tags, and if it’s there before that post, it’s securely hidden away from my prying eyes.
The Tumblr blog queerbaitoohhaha was created in March of 2012, with its first post on 3/11, and I’m just going to use this GIF, because, what.

On Tumblr, the earliest use of the word “queerbaiting” as a tag is this post from May 13, 2012, by tenebrica  In August of that year thefakegeekgirlblog wrote a post responding to an article After Elton wrote on “slashwink” to point out that AE (now the Backlot!) was missing the point and that the phenom was also called “queerbaiting” for a reason. 
The earliest single reference I can find to queerbaiting outside of Tumblr, anywhere, is this brief mention on July 27, 2012 over at fandom-friendly-ish ONTD on LJ. Two days later, this feminist blogger used it in a post about attending a panel discussion of fandom and queer culture as part of Stockholm Pride. An anonymous fan explains queerbaiting in comments to this blog post on 8/20, and then a week later, we get the first media outlet reference I can find to “queerbaiting,” which is an article I wrote about Sherlock fandom. This blogger got asked by a commenter about queerbaiting in September, and ONTD used it a couple of more times re: Sherlock that month, too. I wrote again about queerbaiting in a larger pan-fandom context in October, a week or so before Sparkindarkness crossposted a blog post that was widely read and passed around Tumblr: “A Furious, Semi-Coherent rant about Subtext.” (Vers. 1) (Vers. 2)  A month later, in the introduction of Hypable’s “Battleships” poll, there’s a heated debate in comments about queerbaiting (brought up in the context of Merlin!) vs canon ships ala Klaine.
These are all very early references, but again most of them are using the word “queerbaiting” with the assumption that people reading will get it. Meanwhile, the word “queerbaiting” doesn’t even appear on Google Trends until May 2013:

I would absolutely love it if someone with Arthur-like research skills could dig further than I’ve been able to and unearth a Tumblr post that’s earlier than warpfactornope’s that’s actually from 2011 or before. As far as I can tell, “queerbaiting” sprang fully formed both from and into the fandom hivemind in early 2012, and never left.
(eta: oh crap i’m sorry this post is a zillion words long, I GET VERY EXCITED BY ORIGINAL SOURCES, I’M SORRY. /o\)

Thumbs up! Research is awesome!

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A brief history of “Queerbaiting”:

I’ve seen multiple people say they think my article on slash fandom was wrong to claim that “queerbaiting” was around before Tumblr. 

It was, but absolutely not in the specific context that fandom now uses it, which is indeed a Tumblr invention. 

"Queer-bait" as a concept is associated historically with the contempt other people show for queer identity. The historian Allan Bérubé, who wrote about queer men and women in mid-century America, detailed in a work that was presented posthumously by feminist Estelle Freedman that “queer-baiting” was a term used by the gay male stewards of a certain cruise liner company to describe the derogatory nicknames that other people in the industry gave to their ships. Because the company wanted all-white staff on its ships, they gave jobs that traditionally went to black staff on other ships to queer male staff (because the thinking went, what other white men would want those jobs?). The stewards, according to Bérubé, described the offensive nicknames they and their liners endured as a result as “queer-baiting.”

Today, outside of fandom, calling someone  ”queerbait” is essentially (occasionally a super-offensive) descriptor comparable to “jailbait.” But the reference usually involves the person being closeted or purporting to be straight while pandering to the appeal they have to gay men. There’s a single fandom reference to that use of the word in this 2006 VM fic, and another one in this 2010 SPN fic. Here's a Shakesville contrib identifying himself as “biracial queerbait.” There was also a GLBTQ anthology called Queerbait that ran for a few issues starting in 2007.

There is 2009 reference to “queerbaiting” in this blog post that uses it in the context of Republican attempts to smear political opponents by floating accusations (L O L) of their sexuality, ie. “baiting” them about their queer identity. I can’t find any other instance of this use of the word apart from one other blog post.

I think all of these ideas rolled together—the sense of posturing + the attempt to use queer identity as a hook, and especially the contempt—brought us the fandom concept of queerbaiting.

On Tumblr, the earliest direct reference that I can find to queerbaiting is a post made on January 3, 2012, by warpfactornope. It’s a heartfelt reaction to Jensen Ackles’ perceived homophobia at JibCon, along with, well, SPN in general:

We do exist—and they know we do. Everyone knows we do. But we live in a time of cis-hetnormativity—where anything is other. And the horror genre otherizes marginalized communities by making them monsters—but what’s going on now? the jokes, the queerbaiting, the laughter?

The assumption in this post seems to be that queerbaiting is a term already understood by fandom in general at this point. I believe it probably was, but I’ve dug through Tumblr and I’ve dug through google and I’ve dug through countless Unix timestamp backlogs of Tumblr tags, and if it’s there before that post, it’s securely hidden away from my prying eyes.

The Tumblr blog queerbaitoohhaha was created in March of 2012, with its first post on 3/11, and I’m just going to use this GIF, because, what.

image

On Tumblr, the earliest use of the word “queerbaiting” as a tag is this post from May 13, 2012, by tenebrica  In August of that year thefakegeekgirlblog wrote a post responding to an article After Elton wrote on “slashwink” to point out that AE (now the Backlot!) was missing the point and that the phenom was also called “queerbaiting” for a reason. 

The earliest single reference I can find to queerbaiting outside of Tumblr, anywhere, is this brief mention on July 27, 2012 over at fandom-friendly-ish ONTD on LJ. Two days later, this feminist blogger used it in a post about attending a panel discussion of fandom and queer culture as part of Stockholm Pride. An anonymous fan explains queerbaiting in comments to this blog post on 8/20, and then a week later, we get the first media outlet reference I can find to “queerbaiting,” which is an article I wrote about Sherlock fandom. This blogger got asked by a commenter about queerbaiting in September, and ONTD used it a couple of more times re: Sherlock that month, too. I wrote again about queerbaiting in a larger pan-fandom context in October, a week or so before Sparkindarkness crossposted a blog post that was widely read and passed around Tumblr: “A Furious, Semi-Coherent rant about Subtext.” (Vers. 1) (Vers. 2)  A month later, in the introduction of Hypable’s “Battleships” poll, there’s a heated debate in comments about queerbaiting (brought up in the context of Merlin!) vs canon ships ala Klaine.

These are all very early references, but again most of them are using the word “queerbaiting” with the assumption that people reading will get it. Meanwhile, the word “queerbaiting” doesn’t even appear on Google Trends until May 2013:

I would absolutely love it if someone with Arthur-like research skills could dig further than I’ve been able to and unearth a Tumblr post that’s earlier than warpfactornope’s that’s actually from 2011 or before. As far as I can tell, “queerbaiting” sprang fully formed both from and into the fandom hivemind in early 2012, and never left.

(eta: oh crap i’m sorry this post is a zillion words long, I GET VERY EXCITED BY ORIGINAL SOURCES, I’M SORRY. /o\)

Thumbs up! Research is awesome!

July 28, 2014

lokasbarn said: Found this post of yours /post/92150992783/can-i-ask-for-your-opinion-on-destiel-like-do-you-ship (I'm only giving you the end because I don't want the url to end up blocking the msg). I didn't read anything but the first sentence, but I'm already familiar with your argument against calling spn the king of queerbaiting narratives. Your definition of queer baiting is wrong tho, because queer baiting doesn't just refer to the audience a piece of media is trying to reel in.

Queerbaiting also applies to simply hinting (usually aggressively) at actual canon representation and never following through on it, regardless of intent. While I know you like your sources cut and dried the fact of the matter is queebaiting as a term has evolved and just because the definition no longer solely means “trying to lure in a queer audience” doesn’t mean what spn does isn’t queer baiting.
"Nods" to a fandom it continually derides are not excuses for baiting of the level at which spn operates (there is no excuse for queerbaiting ever, in mind, shows and the like should just put their foot down and include canon queer characters and relationships).

I think you should read posts to the end before you reply to them. I’m sure that I made sure to read your message several times over before I answered it, and it hurts that you didn’t pay me the same respect. Sometimes, the most important information is at the bottom of a post. A post could end with “Just kidding!” You’d look very foolish if you answered that.

I have some questions for you.

1. Does the fact that SPN has a regular queer character affect your judgment of it?

2. If you agree that deriding LGBT+ people is always wrong, then why should I care about the context of this derision? Can’t I just point out homophobic comments when they make them instead of putting it into the context of shipping?

3. What is the difference between homoerotic subtext and queerbaiting?

4. Am I just too old to understand this?

5. If fans want queer representation, should they campaigning for more screen time of existing queer characters?

6. If fans want to see a queer relationship on the show, should they campaigning for existing queer characters to have a relationship?

7. Summarize the importance of Lawrence v. Texas.

8. Can you give me an example of queerbaiting from SPN?

9. Can you name me some current queer characters on SPN?

10. Do you watch any shows with queer lead characters on them? If so, can you give me examples? (I’m looking for recs.)

11. Do you support LGBT+ friendly shows, shows created by LGBT+ people and/or LGBT+ actors? If so, can you give me examples?

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